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4.0 de un máximo de 5 estrellas Demanding, but also rewarding 5 de octubre de 2011
Por KG - Publicado en
Formato: DVD Compra verificada
This heady, intellectual documentary is mostly fascinating, but occasionally does
become pretentious or dull.

Four modern philosophers debate the meanings of a series of lectures given
by the philosopher Heidegger near the start of WWII, which many see as an
apologia for the Nazis. (Side note: I chuckled to see 'Heidegger' listed as 'actor'
on the Amazon description)

This procession of talking heads is intercut with a very visual journey hundreds
of miles up the Danube river (called "the Ister" in Germany) to its source, visiting
everything from archeological sites to the ruins of concentration camps.

Together the words and images give us a look into Germany's history and
self-perception as a nation.

Basically this is an illustrated university level philosophy class, but it was far
more engaging and educational (and followable) than I (a high-school dropout)
feared, especially given its 3 hour running time.

If not quite as moving or illuminating as I hoped, it was still enjoyable, insightful
and certainly unique.
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4.0 de un máximo de 5 estrellas What I did on my holidays 20 de noviembre de 2012
Por Amazon Customer - Publicado en
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I came to this movie at the right time, having spent 6 months working on "Being and Time" and only just recently moving on to "later Heidegger". I am not sure what my response might have been 2 years ago - probably slightly bewildered and bored. Instead, it has been a deeply profound experience, if occasionally annoying. I only found out after watching half of it that it was made by two Australians using a consumer video camera!

It is very slow moving, and relatively long. If you don't have an interest in Heidegger or philosophy in general, it may fail to hold you. However, the long shots where the camera just stays on a scene for minutes at a time while the scene develops have a magical way of conveying the atmosphere of the place. Plus, considerable care has gone into the editing process, something you can see once you start to associate the repeated images.

In a few places, the editing gets a bit self-consciously "arty": for example, the oscillating exposure effect right through the Mauthausen scene and the cropped stills in the interview with the cemetery botanist. You will have to make your own mind up whether these effects work or not.

The philosophers who are interviewed are an odd lot. I found it harder to take Bernard Stiegler seriously after learning that he was a convicted armed robber who turned to philosophy while "inside". Jean-Luc Nancy tries hard to justify Heidegger's notorious concentration camp statement, finally admitting failure (to his credit!). I see it as a real strength of the film that the directors didn't try to push a particular line or interpretation - some of the commentary is controversial and I am pretty sure they wouldn't endorse it. In fact, they occasionally juxtapose images and sounds that seem to question what is being said. This tends to reinforce the sense I always have when reading Heidegger, that there are outrageous and unacceptable views lurking not far beneath his seemingly neutral analysis.

If you have the right background and interests, this is worth investigating.
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3.0 de un máximo de 5 estrellas A unique, affecting, and maddening documentary 5 de septiembre de 2010
Por chaliapin - Publicado en
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It is rather amazing that a film like this was actually made. It touches very directly on deep philosophical subjects that deal with Martin Heidegger's philosophy, and his engagement with poetry, technology, and politics. These topics are discussed in interviews with three French philosophers and a German artist. Part philosophy seminar and part travelogue, the film meanders its way up the Danube to its source in the Black Forest near the university where Heidegger taught and the hut where he wrote Being and Time. Along the way we pause at factories, cities, bridges, monuments, archaeological digs, concentration camp sites, parks, etc. which are used in the service of showing the river to be a reflection of the relationships between man, nature, and technology in their recent historical context. These are prominent - and problematic - themes in Heidegger, given his involvement with the Nazi party, and the film addresses these issues very directly. In the end we get a poignant sense of the irrecoverable loss of the river from a poetic point of view.

I felt this film had a huge amount of potential given its unique subject matter and documentary format. I have read a fair amount of Heidegger's philosophy and feel that a lot of the critique around technology is highly relevant today. However, the film was not edited well and there is an improvisatory feeling throughout, leading to a very meandering three hours of viewing. Many of the side excursions were irrelevant and too lengthy, and there is often too much attention paid to trivial details. The philosophers themselves like to go off-topic, get interrupted, get too deep into technical issues, or in some cases get muddled up entirely. I must confess that the French style of philosophical discourse as a series of bald assertions of fact with no argument behind it irritates me as well. In short, the film would have benefited from a more focused vision, and perhaps a more poetical one as well (I found myself wishing that Werner Herzog had directed the film instead - he was capable of achieving some of the effects the filmmakers were going for I think.) Nevertheless, the film was quite thought-provoking in many aspects, in particular I found the last interview subject to be quite peculiar and affecting.
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5.0 de un máximo de 5 estrellas differ(e)(a)nt 27 de noviembre de 2012
Por Daniel Gohl - Publicado en
Formato: DVD Compra verificada
It is wonderful to have films produced and disseminated that are outside of a closed narrative. This is one such work.
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5.0 de un máximo de 5 estrellas NOT DIscontinued! 2 de noviembre de 2009
Por First - Publicado en
Formato: DVD Compra verificada
for some reason Amazon lists this now as "Discontinued" - but it is NOT! it is being released by the distributor on 11/17.

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